soc.culture.china

"Diana BB" wrote in message
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> Peter Webb wrote:
>>>> No, the problem in this case is that Ahmadinejad doesn't want any
>>>> Jewish homeland in the Middle East. He is not objecting to any
>>>> particular border, he is objecting Israel's right to exist.
>>> That is dishonest of you to say that.
>>> He was very specific about what he said. He was referring to the REGIME
>>> that rules Israel.
>>
>> Where was he very specific about the regime that rules Israel, exactly?
>
> A version prepared by the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI),
> located in Washington:
> "Nobody believed that we would one day witness the collapse of the Eastern
> Imperialism [ . the ], and said it was an iron regime. But in our
> short lifetime we have witnessed how this regime collapsed in such a way
> that we must look for it in libraries, and we can find no literature about
> it. Imam [Khomeini] said that Saddam [Hussein] must go, and that he would
> be humiliated in a way that was unprecedented. And what do you see today?
> A man who, 10 years ago, spoke as proudly as if he would live for eternity
> is today chained by the feet, and is now being tried in his own country
> [[[...]]] Imam [Khomeini] said: 'This regime that is occupying Qods
> [Jerusalem] must be eliminated from the pages of history.'
>

OK, he wants the people living in Israel to go the same way as Saddam
Hussein.

Sounds pretty explicit. Do you think he meant death by hanging,
specifically?

>
>>
>> He didn't say "change the regime", he said "wiped off the map".
> See above....
>>
>> Where has he indicated that if there was a different regime in Israel, he
>> would support the right of Israel to exist as a Jewsish state.
>>
>> You said he was "very specific". Please show me these "very specific"
>> remarks that he does not object to the existence of Israel as a Jewish
>> state, and only wants regime change.
>
> See above.

What above? Where in the above bit that you posted does he make a difference
between Israel (having a right to exist) and the current Israeli government?

I really am looking for these "very specific" remarks.


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>>
>>> IF you took time to read the REAL interpretation you would see that he
>>> likened it to the Hussein regime in Iraq. HE wasnt saying Iraq should be
>>> wiped out. It was obvious to any thinking person who stays abreast of
>>> the news that it it was deliberately misinterpreted to suit an agenda.
>>
>> If he believes he was misquoted, why didn't he clarify his remarks? And
>> if he doesn't believe he was misquoted, why do you?
>
> It was by his Foreign Minister, I believe

It was by him.

And if it had been by his foreign minister, why didn't he clarify the
remarks?

So, why wasn't a clarification issued if the quotes used by the Western
Press were not accurate?


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>>
>>> Much like what he said regarding the Holocaust. He did not deny that
>>> either
>>
>> Yes, he did.
>>
>> /wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/14/
>
> He spoke of the propaganda machine that is revered more that God. I
> believe that the word translated "myth" was closer to the word "story"
>

No, he speaks of the "holocaust myth".


> Speak out about a religion and it sok but dont speak out about the
> Holocaust and say bad things about the Jews.....that is what he was saying
> and I say HEAR HEAR!!
> Why are we not allowed to pass a critical eye over some of the ridiculous
> stories that were used to convict the Germans? Why cant we do that without
> being accused of denying the whole thing?

This is emi-incoherent. As such, I will just assume it is some kind of
poorly articulated general anti-semitic kook rave.

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>>> but asked a very pertinent question.
>>
>> How is this pertinent to Iran, which has nothing to do with Israel or the
>> Palestinians (other than supplying the latter with weapons, of course).
>
> If you dont know that I suggest you find out.


I did. I asked you. Apparently you don't know either. Funny, as you raised
this point yourself.